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Joseph Rael - July 15, 2007 1:26 am
HARI BOL TO ALL DEVOTEES OF SRI SRI RADHA KRSNA WHO READ THIS NEW POST .
MY DAUGHTER IS GAINFULLY EMPLOYEED IN THE MOVIE INDUSTRY AS AN ASST. DIRECTOR.
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING A SCREENPLAY ( WITH THE ASSISTANCE FO MY DAUGHTER) .
THE ESSESENCE OF THE SCREENPLAY AND HOPEFULLY MOVIE IS THE JIVAS FALL FROM THE SPIRITUAL REALM TO THE MATERIAL REALM. I AM USING SCRIPTUE FROM SRIMAD BHAGVATAM, BHAGAVAD GITA ETC., AND ALSO INSERTING MY OWN EMBELISHMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT VIABLE TO THE WORLD OF TODAY.
IT INVOLVES THE CREATION OF THE MAHAT-TATTVA, THE CREATION OF THE MATERIAL UNIVERSES, THE PLANETARY SYSTEMS, THE HUMANS, DEMI-GODS ETC.
SO IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE A HUGE UNDERTAKING. I HAVE SUBMITED IT TO A FEW PRODUCER AQUAINTENCES OF MY DAUGHTER AND I HAVE GOTTEN FAIRLY GOOD FEED BACK.
IT INVOLVES A MAN BEING BORN INTO THIS WORLD AND GETTING STUCK FOR MILLIMIUMS. DYING AND WAKING UP IN A MID POINT, REMEMBERING HIS TRUE IDENTITY, KNOPWING HE HAS KARMA AND MUST RETURN...ETC ETC..
WOULD ANYONE BE INTERESTED IN HELPING ME WITH THIS ENDEVOUR?
IS IT FEASABLE IN THIS WORLD....PRIMARILY IT IS TO BRING HUMANITY BACK TO KRISHNA.
IDEAS?
YES/NO?
BHAKTA JOSEPH
Vivek - July 15, 2007 2:50 am
I am sorry but according to tattva we cannot fall from spiritual world though prabhupada has indicated otherwise for the sake of preaching.
Joseph Rael - July 15, 2007 3:01 am
I am sorry but according to tattva we cannot fall from spiritual world though prabhupada has indicated otherwise for the sake of preaching.
Could I not do it also for the sake of preaching?
Nitai Joseph - July 15, 2007 4:09 am
Could I not do it also for the sake of preaching?
I can't give a yes or nor but be sure that you understand the siddhanta otherwise it's not preaching anyway, its espousing misinformation.
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 15, 2007 7:20 am
I'm not sure why you write in capitals all the time. So you know, on the internet writing in capitals equals screaming.
What did you submit to those producers?
Philip Breakenridge - July 15, 2007 4:07 pm
I am sorry but according to tattva we cannot fall from spiritual world though prabhupada has indicated otherwise for the sake of preaching.
This point always confuses me a bit. If we didn't fall from the spiritual sky, did we all start out as 'lower' life forms, gradually working our way up to human births?
I remember Hanumat Presaka Swami once said that if one practiced bhakti long enough, one would remember his or her previous identity in the spiritual world. He gave the humourous example that, after diligent spiritual practice, a devotee would suddenly have the epiphany: "My name was Clarabelle. I was a strawberry cow. Since I've been gone, Krishna hasn't had any strawberry milk."
Although I enjoyed his anecdote, I remember thinking: why would a surabhi suddenly decide to be independent from the Lord and descend down to this material hell? Also, I've often thought that those blessed with incredible fame, beauty, and power in this lifetime could have been demigods in their previous incarnations, but the same question remains: why would one choose to give up such a position to take part in human suffering?
Would someone please point me in the right direction regarding this teaching? 
Joseph Rael - July 15, 2007 5:16 pm
This point always confuses me a bit. If we didn't fall from the spiritual sky, did we all start out as 'lower' life forms, gradually working our way up to human births?
I remember Hanumat Presaka Swami once said that if one practiced bhakti long enough, one would remember his or her previous identity in the spiritual world. He gave the humourous example that, after diligent spiritual practice, a devotee would suddenly have the epiphany: "My name was Clarabelle. I was a strawberry cow. Since I've been gone, Krishna hasn't had any strawberry milk."
Although I enjoyed his anecdote, I remember thinking: why would a surabhi suddenly decide to be independent from the Lord and descend down to this material hell? Also, I've often thought that those blessed with incredible fame, beauty, and power in this lifetime could have been demigods in their previous incarnations, but the same question remains: why would one choose to give up such a position to take part in human suffering?
Would someone please point me in the right direction regarding this teaching?
Nitai Joseph - July 15, 2007 8:57 pm
This point always confuses me a bit. If we didn't fall from the spiritual sky, did we all start out as 'lower' life forms, gradually working our way up to human births?
I remember Hanumat Presaka Swami once said that if one practiced bhakti long enough, one would remember his or her previous identity in the spiritual world. He gave the humourous example that, after diligent spiritual practice, a devotee would suddenly have the epiphany: "My name was Clarabelle. I was a strawberry cow. Since I've been gone, Krishna hasn't had any strawberry milk."
Although I enjoyed his anecdote, I remember thinking: why would a surabhi suddenly decide to be independent from the Lord and descend down to this material hell? Also, I've often thought that those blessed with incredible fame, beauty, and power in this lifetime could have been demigods in their previous incarnations, but the same question remains: why would one choose to give up such a position to take part in human suffering?
Would someone please point me in the right direction regarding this teaching?
Phillip, this issue has been addressed repeatedly on TV, I can't point you to the exact thread right now. There is one extensive lecture by Guru Maharaja on the topic given in NC and it's on an mp3 cd, unfortunately i don't know which. In "The Search for Sri Krishna" by Srila Sridhar Maharaja there is one chapter Origin of the Soul", it was too simple to satisfy me but it's a good place to start. You should look around on TV though. Even within Iskcon there is a rift on this issue although out-loud almost everyone adheres to the "fall theory".
Gopisvara Dasa - July 15, 2007 9:14 pm
The point is that we never did fall from from Vaikuntha, as we were never there in Lila. We come from Mahavishnu and took part in His Srsti Lila, when He desired to expand himself into many. It is the play of God and is not easy to fathom with our meager minds. Being tatastha shakti, we have the choice of turning towards or away fro God. Although since we had no experience of being in Lila with the Lord, it was an uninformed choice. It has been explained by our acharyas in such a way as to absolve God of the "blame" by putting it on the jiva, as this could certainly interfere with our rehabilitation, as blaming God for our situation is not conducive to any kind of reconciliation. Actually life itself, as is Bhakti, is a gracious grant from Godhead. If we apply ourselves nicely, we have the prospect of eternal blissful life, even if we had to go through so many lives of suffering to get there. Anything of value will require taking some trouble to achieve it, and certainly the ultimate attainment will, as well. That is just how the Lord, in His great wisdom sees fit to do things. We may or may not understand now, but as we grow it will be revealed more and more. Basically, for love to exist, it has to be voluntary, therefore necessitating the material world. That should, at least, satisfy one intellectually. If one still has issues with this, it may reveal some envy in their heart, due to lack of insight or a sense of entitlement.
In terms of portraying the the real story, in a movie, I think it would be quite esoteric and difficult for the mainstream to grasp. Even in the devotional community it is a misunderstood point of contention. Therefore you have stories like "Adam and Eve" for the consumption of the general masses. And that only goes so far.
Vivek - July 16, 2007 4:33 am
You may check out this for reference http://tattvaviveka.ipbhost.com/index.php?...82&hl=story
on the jiva issues. Obviously there are many other posts also.