Tattva-viveka
Costa Rica
Vrindaranya Dasi - July 18, 2007 12:16 pm
Buenos dias from Costa Rica!
Sri Caitanya Sanga now officially owns a gorgeous tropical retreat in Costa Rica!!! We have gotten a lot of interest in the project, and Guru Maharaja has exciting plans for how to develop it. He is working on a business plan with Raghunatha (of Shelter fame) for a yoga retreat.
The yoga retreat will not only generate income for the project, it is a subtle yet effective way to interact with spiritual seekers and present Gaudiya Vaisnavism in a nonsectarian manner.
After the historic signing for the property, Guru Maharaja wasted no time on pushing the project forward. The infrastructure development is already underway, with workers clearing building sites and a tractor improving the road to the property.
On our first trip, time didn't permit seeing the big waterfall, so that was a top priority. Trekking through the dense jungle, the canopy suddenly opens up to the sun streaming down on a majestic waterfall. The fall is at least 100 ft. with a cliff of solid stone. Wow! It's amazing. Guru Maharaja plans to have a rocks moved in order to create a natural swimming pool at the waterfall's base.
This is an exciting new chapter for Sri Caitanya Sanga. I walked into Guru Maharaja's room at one point and he said that he had a vision of a mandala of ecstatic devotees encircling Krsna and Balarama on the land. He commented that we've come to Costa Rica because they want a place here. May the glories of Sri Guru and Gauranga resound worldwide!
Guru-nistha Das - July 18, 2007 12:48 pm
First time in Costa Rica and I’m impressed. Right away, when we landed in Liberia, I got this comfortable feeling that I also got in India and other “less developed” countries I’ve been to, a feeling of ease and simplicity that comes from not having overly high standard of living. People depend more on each other, there’s more of a feeling community and comradery, and people are really friendly and outgoing. One difference with Costa Ricans and Indians is that the Ticos (Costa Ricans) are not so aggressive or harsh. I’m sure they also cheat and there are problems in the country, but it’s not so in-your-face at all. Another thing that struck me is the weather. It’s pleasantly humid and stays around 70-80 degrees throughout the day. Last night I slept on the porch and it was really nice. The nights never seem to get cold.
These factors, plus the natural beauty of the place make it very conducive for spiritual practice, and that’s after all the reason we are here.
As Vrindaranya told, the land has been bought and a bulldozer is making the fairly steep road that climbs up to our property more accessible. The path to the place is really beautiful in itself. Especially the last leg, that runs on top of a narrow ridge, with 180 degree views of pristine tropical forest, hills and meadows on both sides. It feels like two guys would be holding giant 3D postcards on each side, it’s that idyllic.
The property itself is very impressive as well. Personally I really like the fact that it’s not just one flat piece of land, but that it has a lot of different platforms and levels to build on, and the spots are not too far from each other but at the same time provide privacy. There are so many opportunities on this land! New ideas constantly come up and I’m amazed at Guru Maharaja’s and Vrindaranya’s focus, how they can think about things from different angles and play around with ideas. It’s a huge project and there’s a lot to do, but that’s exactly what’s so cool about Guru Maharaja, he just grabs the Costa Rican bull by the horns and goes for it. He told me that it normally takes people some time to trust his ideas, because he has it all figured out in his head and he has a clear vision of what he wants to accomplish but most people are afraid of change and risk. Sure, it does sound pretty crazy to just buy a huge piece of land in the middle of nowhere in Central America and start building a prestigious international monastery and a yoga retreat, but I have no doubt that Guru Maharaja has the shakti to steer this project and make it successful with the help from us. Guru Maharaja also told me that when they moved to the redwoods of NorCal to live in tents and left the accommodations in Eugene behind, people thought he’d gone crazy. But Audarya came out of that madness, and all of a sudden it totally makes sense to every sensible devotee. I’m convinced that the same will happen with Costa Rica. There is so much potential in this project.
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 18, 2007 2:40 pm
Wow! Qué rico... Me muero de ganas de estar allá... Can't wait to go! Thanks for the pics and the news! I've been on the edge of my seat waiting to hear something. Enhorabuena! Congratulations on the closing!
Syamasundara - July 18, 2007 3:12 pm
I walked into Guru Maharaja's room at one point and he said that he had a vision of a mandala of ecstatic devotees encircling Krsna and Balarama on the land.
HARI BOOOOL!!!!! 
Madan Gopal Das - July 18, 2007 3:19 pm
Sri Caitanya Sangha ki jaya!!!! Can't wait to be there. I see it in my future. I want to be one of those devotees, with all of you, surrounding Krsna and Balarama and sitting at Guru Maharaj's feet. Just let us know when you want to sell some plots!!!
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 18, 2007 5:29 pm
This is great news! And everything seems to happen at the speed of a thunderbolt, which is even better!
Gurunistha, How can we not trust Guru Maharaj in his vision? If one sees Audarya unfold, how can one have any disbelief about this project or any future ones? The lila is unfolding, better step in before prices go up.
Nitai Joseph - July 18, 2007 11:30 pm
The lila is unfolding, better step in before prices go up.
this is all so exciting
Vrindaranya Dasi - July 19, 2007 12:25 am
We're still negotiating for the plots for the grhasta/vanaprastha community, but assuming that everything will progress as expected, here is the plan. Guru Maharaja would like to sell lifetime leases on lots for permanent residence or vacation houses. The reason for the lifetime leases is to perpetuate the monastery and preserve the devotional community. The lots will be from $10,000 to $20,000, depending on the size of the lot. Financing is available from Guru Maharaja ($73.00/mo for one of the small lots or $146.00/mo for the larger lots--no down payment, 8% interest amortized over 30 years). These prices are guaranteed until May 2008. Those who purchase early will get the best pick of the lots.
See photo below for one idea for your Costa Rican get-away. [Guru Maharaja talked to the architect of this house and can get the plans!]
The area that our land is situated on is the most desirable area of Costa Rica, with an affluent international community and bustling tourist economy, so if one wants to live at the community permanently I think that with some ingenuity one can find or create employment opportunities, including massage, other healing arts (naturopathy, acupuncture, etc.), Spanish instruction, wildlife tours, real estate, baking, etc.
We want to hire a gardener to grow organic fruit, vegetables, and flowers for the community. Anyone who pitches in towards the cost of the gardener will share in the bounty. Naturally we will also have cows.
By the way, we have unlimited room for monastics. For $0 down and $0 in monthly payments, you can sign your life away for divine slavery in paradise!
Guru Maharaja is also looking for people who want to participate in the yoga retreat business. Plans are still under development, but here's the idea so far. We have set aside a spectacular, private section of the property for the retreat and will build cabins to accommodate 20 people, a large yoga pavilion, kitchen, gift store, library, pool, etc. Yoga instructors from the US or Europe will bring from 10-20 students for week-long retreats and we will provide 3 meals a day and accommodations. Raghunatha, who is a yoga instructor, will bring 3-4 groups of students himself every year and he knows someone whose sole business is to book yoga retreats. The "all-inclusive" retreats (includes lodging and three meals) will cost $1000 plus whatever the yoga instructor charges. Compared to other yoga retreats in Costa Rica, this is actually a low price. Some charge that much to stay in a double occupancy tent!
For those who are looking for an investment opportunity, Guru Maharaja will be selling shares into the business in order to raise money to develop the facilites. Each share will cost $50,000. Although this may sound like a lot, read on to see what an opportunity this is. The profits of the business will be split among shareholders. We are planning to have 12-16 week-long retreats (1 or 2 per month) every year. If one helps with the running of the business (which is less than part-time work), the expected return on investment is an astounding 40% per year [$20,000 per year or $1667 per month. $1667 is more than enough to support a family in Costa Rica. Our American realtor here in Costa Rica told us that the monthly expenses for his family of four is $800.] Those who don't want to help with the running of the business will receive half that amount (20% return on investment). As you can see, a $50,000 investment can set you up for life in a dynamic devotional community with lots of free time for bhajana and seva. By the way, feel free to purchase 2 or more shares and bring in $40,000 to $60,000 per year. Raghunatha (who will continue to live in LA but come 3-4 times a year for retreats) has already reserved one of the 4 shares, so there are only 3 left. If you are interested in hearing more, contact Guru Maharaja.
Guru-nistha Das - July 19, 2007 12:25 am
Today we measured the amount of water flow(gal.s/min) in the sources where we are planning on having our water pumps for the houses. We were also seeing into how to draw electricity on the property.
Vrindaranya is doing some research on micro-hydro right now, a way to get electricity from water. Some of the houses will probably be getting 100% renewable and pure power.
We've also been taking GPS readings on the property to locate the building sites on Google maps and to give you guys some kind of a idea of the place.
Tomorrow we'll go to a near town to get some fence supplies for the workers that are working on the property right now. It's really nice how we've been able to use the locals and their knowledge. Guru Maharaja hired the previous landowner to become the caretaker with his son, and they know the land like the back of their own hands, plus they have good connections to workers who need jobs and seem to be ready to come whenever needed. Don Imel and his son seem to be very good-hearted people and they like us a lot, so it's a very good deal for both parties.
Vrindaranya Dasi - July 19, 2007 12:48 am
Another thing about alternative power: Costa Rica has the ideal climate for methane gas! That means that with cow dung we can produce gas for cooking. I have plans for a "digester" that will cost no more than $50!
Something like 90% of the power in Costa Rica is generated from hydro, so it is already green power and it's cheap. Our realtor spends $10 on electricity for his family of four.
Babhru Das - July 19, 2007 1:19 am
It looks as though bananas are happy there. I'd guess Tulasi-devi will be happy, too. That means I'll be happy. I'm in! (Of course, you knew that.)
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 19, 2007 7:08 am
By the way, we have unlimited room for monastics. For $0 down and $0 in monthly payments, you can sign your life away for divine slavery in paradise!
haha I liked how you sneaked this into the long text!! I heard a few Polish devotees being interested in this as well.
Also, if I had money, I would buy myself a share in the business. Anyone with such money on the bank would be stupid not too. Even for doing nothing, you still get 20%!
Can you tell us more of how James, Miguel and possible others are viewing the project? You wrote about the locals, but did you get positive reactions from other Westerners living in CR as well?
Syamasundara - July 19, 2007 7:36 am
Yes, I liked the banana picture, too, also because you can finally see some blue sky there. All those banana trees (I know, they are not really trees) could solve the problem of disposable plates both there and at Audarya during festivals, which always troubles me. And in Costa Rica I'd be finally able to make my cow dung patties, which I wasn't allowed to make at Audarya. Have you already looked into the internet connection? What solutions are there? How good is it?
Bhrigu - July 19, 2007 8:28 am
All of this is extremely exciting!
Guru-nistha Das - July 19, 2007 11:11 am
Can you tell us more of how James, Miguel and possible others are viewing the project? You wrote about the locals, but did you get positive reactions from other Westerners living in CR as well?
Well, we didn't meet James this time and we spent only a couple of days with Miguel. We didn't talk about the project with Miguel but he did say a couple of times what a great deal that land purchase was.
In a beach town called Nosara we went to this art gallery run by a very nice american lady and she thought our project sounded really cool. The lady we are renting our house from is an architect from Seattle and she also was impressed with what we are trying to do, and our new website especially impressed her.
Have you already looked into the internet connection? What solutions are there? How good is it?
Yes, we can have a fast internet connection through a satellite and maybe a DSL in the future.
Syamasundara - July 19, 2007 11:13 am
All of this is extremely exciting!
You bet it is!
Here I am at 4am, trying to retrieve my mind from Costa Rica and bring it to bed, as I am waking up in three hours.
Meanwhile I had this idea. What's the soil like there?
Check out these cool pages.
http://dirtshirt.com/catalog/?page=shop/aboutus
http://www.wtamu.edu/~crobinson/DrDirt/dirt_shirt_act.html
I think it's a great idea, both for the monks' clothes, as it is cheap to do, easy to redo, should the dye fade, it gives a great example, and it could be great merchandise during the retreats. Right now I am selling "environmental" T-shirts made with fricking toxic dyes, that make the people who work in it sick, and can only be "disposed of" by storing them in containers forever, like toxic waste.
Clay dyeing is definitely more sustainable. In the future we could even supply Vaikunthadeva with our own Tshirts, and get part of the proceeds. The monks could add kunkuma and gopicandana (yellow clay) to get the right saffron color, I guess, and for the retreat guests we could make T-dyes or embroidered T-shirts, without resorting to nasty chemical prints.
All you need is red clay, vinegar, soda ash (but I bet cow dung ash might work just as well) and water.
Oh man, I'll never fall asleep...
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 19, 2007 12:15 pm
I've got a problem 
I asked my wife what she would say if some day we go and see what's happening in Costa Rica, and maybe stay there. She googled for a moment, and finally she said: no way! Poisonous snakes, huge spiders, active volcanos, earthquakes! She completely freaked out
What would you say in such situation?
Swami - July 19, 2007 12:37 pm
I've got a problemWhat would you say in such situation?
There are no poisonous snakes in our area, no active volcanos, no huge spiders, and no more fear of earthquakes than in California. There are also no terrorists, car bombs, etc. I beleive you live in England, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 19, 2007 12:55 pm
I didn't notice any mention of language issues. Last time I was in Guanacaste I didn't spend any time in the beach towns but I did see a few gringos here and there at the parks. I have been to some communities in Central America that are filled with expats from the states where no Spanish is needed at all. By the sound of the last posts and references to people you've met, language skills don't seem to be a concern at all. Qué pena...
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 19, 2007 1:01 pm
There are no poisonous snakes in our area, no active volcanos, no huge spiders, and no more fear of earthquakes than in California. There are also no terrorists, car bombs, etc. I beleive you live in England, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
Thank you Maharaja. She loved your answer. One problem less
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 19, 2007 1:06 pm
I didn't notice any mention of language issues. Last time I was in Guanacaste I didn't spend any time in the beach towns but I did see a few gringos here and there at the parks. I have been to some communities in Central America that are filled with expats from the states where no Spanish is needed at all. By the sound of the last posts and references to people you've met, language skills don't seem to be a concern at all. Qué pena...
Espero que tendramos muchas oportunidades para aprender y practicar el idoma aca. Espanol es en mi opinion el idoma mas bonito del mundo (al menos este de Sur America, porque Castillano de Espana no sone muy bien . Prabhupada dijo que Espanol es la mejor lengua para hablar con Dios (o algo asi, no?).
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 19, 2007 1:51 pm
Espanol es en mi opinion el idoma mas bonito del mundo (al menos este de Sur America, porque Castillano de Espana no sone muy bien
Cuidado hombre... no vaya a ser que seas como los de la inquisición
Prabhupada dijo que Espanol es la mejor lengua para hablar con Dios (o algo asi, no?).
I didn't know that prabhupada had said that... very interesting. My wife will like that... I'll have to remember that for preaching
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 19, 2007 2:08 pm
I see the time is ripe for a Spanish Tattva-viveka
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 19, 2007 2:21 pm
I see the time is ripe for a Spanish Tattva-viveka
A que sí!
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 19, 2007 2:31 pm
The land in Costa Rica is certainly more expensive than say in Nicaragua, but the better infrastructure and more stable social/political environment definitely make up for it. Any projections for building costs? What are we looking at for a modest dwelling for a family of four?
Babhru Das - July 19, 2007 4:06 pm
You bet it is!Here I am at 4am, trying to retrieve my mind from Costa Rica and bring it to bed, as I am waking up in three hours.
Meanwhile I had this idea. What's the soil like there?
Check out these cool pages.
http://dirtshirt.com/catalog/?page=shop/aboutus
http://www.wtamu.edu/~crobinson/DrDirt/dirt_shirt_act.html
I think it's a great idea, both for the monks' clothes, as it is cheap to do, easy to redo, should the dye fade, it gives a great example, and it could be great merchandise during the retreats. Right now I am selling "environmental" T-shirts made with fricking toxic dyes, that make the people who work in it sick, and can only be "disposed of" by storing them in containers forever, like toxic waste.
Clay dyeing is definitely more sustainable. In the future we could even supply Vaikunthadeva with our own Tshirts, and get part of the proceeds. The monks could add kunkuma and gopicandana (yellow clay) to get the right saffron color, I guess, and for the retreat guests we could make T-dyes or embroidered T-shirts, without resorting to nasty chemical prints.
All you need is red clay, vinegar, soda ash (but I bet cow dung ash might work just as well) and water.
Oh man, I'll never fall asleep...
Jeez, Syamu--get some sleep!
I think that, if the soil's right, it might be cool for the monks to dye their cloth with red dirt. They'd have to fiddle with recipes to get the right color. I'm not sure that gopi-chandan and kumkum imported from around the earth would send the best "Earth-friendly" message. Some might object that the carbon footprint for such ingredients is too big.
As far as I remember from college, the red dirt here in the islands is due to oxidization of the iron in the soil. Here on the Big Island, we have lots of red volcanic cinder. (Lots!) The road we live on has, until recently been surfaced with red cinder. (They recently laid gravel down because it's heavier and doesn't wash away as easily in the rain, of which we get around 130 inches a year.) I've wondered sometimes if red dirt isn't related to red cinders (and also what the difference is between red cinder and black cinder).
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 19, 2007 5:30 pm
Hmm this is great news.If had money I would buy right now.I have so many ideas as regards ayurvedic spa and so on.Hmm life in England is very dangerous but also it is good place to colect money for a such amazing and peacefull life.
When I was young I dreamed about this comunity.It becomes now real.
Thank's for Guru Maharaj for evented these ideas.
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 19, 2007 8:47 pm
Espero que tendramos muchas oportunidades para aprender y practicar el idoma aca. Espanol es en mi opinion el idoma mas bonito del mundo (al menos este de Sur America, porque Castillano de Espana no sone muy bien
I did not know that you Prabhu speak spanish?????
Swami - July 19, 2007 8:53 pm
We just sold our first lot! Gaurangi-priya is the proud owner with $2500 down payment and balance financed. First come, first serve. I will personally select her lot at her request. Should be a nice one smile.gif.
The cost of construction varies considerably and we are working to hone in on a building approach that uses natural materials gathered from the land. I will be meeting with Steve from foxmaple.com on Saturday and Sunday, as well as with a Tico timber framer. If we can build with daub and waddle infill walls and timber from the land we will save considerably on materials (no concrete or steel). When using concrete and steel, houses cost anywhere from $40 to $70 per sq. ft. We are trying to beat that price, at least the high end of the spectrum.
Bachelor houses could be done nicely with 300 sq ft. We are presently staying in one this size. We will likely limit the size of house one can construct to no more than 1200 sq ft. We also hope to be able to offer several designs to choose from. Maybe we can even put up a model home.
Babhru Das - July 19, 2007 9:11 pm
Bachelor houses could be done nicely with 300 sq ft. We are presently staying in one this size. We will likely limit the size of house one can construct to no more than 1200 sq ft. We also hope to be able to offer several designs to choose from. Maybe we can even put up a model home.
Congratulations to Gaurangi-priya! I think 1200 sf should be plenty, especially if there's an outdoor deck. The place my wife and I live in here is 1056 sf (with an 8-ft deck the length of the house), and it's plenty of room for two. However, when my family left Lompoc in the mid '50s and moved to the San Fernando Valley, we lived in a house not much bigger than this--two adults and three kids. Houses in the US have been getting bigger and bigger over the last couple of decades, mostly a sign of conspicuous consumption.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 19, 2007 9:23 pm
I have few questions, and I presume that better to ask them here on forum, then privately, because everyone is interested to some degree.
- What is the size of the plots of land ?
- Vrindaranya wrote abour employment oportunities, could you elaborate on this little bit?
- I know it is long term thinking, but considering lifetime lease of the land, what would happen to the children, born to families living there? Would they be able to keep the right to the land if they stay devotees?
- How many plots are there? Is it safe to book as soon as possible, or there is enough room for everyone?
- I understood that 10 000, or 20 000 $ is just for the land. What about house? What do you recon- how much would cost house (from the cheapest possible materials) for a couple (avarage Eastern Europe level of attachment to comfort ) ?
- What about yurts? They are cheaper, but are they ok for that climat?
Mas pregundas vienen pronto
Vrindaranya Dasi - July 19, 2007 10:42 pm
- What is the size of the plots of land ?
We still need to get a topographer to look at the land, but right now Guru Maharaja is thinking that the lots will be 500 sq. meters (5,381 sq. ft.) - 1000 sq. meters (10,763 sq. ft). Either lot size will have plenty of room for a house and gardens. The place were we are staying now (see picture above) has two small houses, pool, cabana, and parking spaces on about 3,000 sq. ft. (270 sq. meters).
- Vrindaranya wrote abour employment oportunities, could you elaborate on this little bit?
It would be best for whoever is thinking of moving permanently to Costa Rica to write us directly. There is too wide a range of income needs/talents/etc. to address here. For a general idea, check out one of the several books that have been written about moving to Costa Rica (probably available on Amazon.com).
- I know it is long term thinking, but considering lifetime lease of the land, what would happen to the children, born to families living there? Would they be able to keep the right to the land if they stay devotees?
There is a good possibility. Guru Maharaja is still considering it.
- How many plots are there? Is it safe to book as soon as possible, or there is enough room for everyone? wink.gif
We won't know until a topographer surveys the land. At present we think we have at least twenty.
- I understood that 10 000, or 20 000 $ is just for the land. What about house? What do you recon- how much would cost house (from the cheapest possible materials) for a couple (avarage Eastern Europe level of attachment to comfort smile.gif ) ?
Guru Maharaja answered this question more elaborately in a previous post, but in brief we are thinking $50.00 per square foot. We'll know more when we speak to a builder in a couple of days. We are looking into an economical yet environmental and aesthetically pleasing building style (simple elegance). Guru Maharaja does not want a trailer camp or shanty town. :-)
By the way, it would be okay for someone to pitch a tent temporarily (while building a dwelling or during a vacation, for example) but not permanently.
Check out the website for the builder that Guru Maharaja found (www.foxmaple.com). This guy is really cool. He is a timber-frame builder and teacher from Vermont (the temple at Audarya is timber-frame), who just so happens to also do workshops on timber-framing in Costa Rica. He works with local people, teaching them to use materials from their land rather than concrete and cement. The attachment below shows a library he did in Vermont. The style would obviously be adjusted for Costa Rica.
- What about yurts? They are cheaper, but are they ok for that climate?
Yurts cost the same per sq. ft. as the construction that Guru Maharaja is talking about. By the time you shipped a yurt down here, it would actually cost more.
P.S. Shyam, I have seen both brown and rich red soil here.
Swami - July 19, 2007 10:50 pm
Rama Govinda has just purchased the second lot (smaller size)!
Swami - July 20, 2007 1:36 am
Two more proud owners: Manohari devi and Jiva-daya and family!
Madan Gopal Das - July 20, 2007 1:59 am
Just making sure I'm doing the math correctly... The big lots are .25 acre right?
Swami - July 20, 2007 2:04 am
Just making sure I'm doing the math correctly... The big lots are .25 acre right?
correct, plenty of room. surrounded by mountain jungle, cows, monastics, rivers, waterfalls, and mapaches.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 20, 2007 9:57 am
Tomorrow we'll go to a near town to get some fence supplies for the workers that are working on the property right now
How far is the near town? Is there good (or any) road going there?
How is religious tolerance there? Do local people know that you are Vaisnavas? How they cope with that fact?
I checked for devotional communities there. It seems that VRINDA has some projects in Costa Rica:
Guru-nistha Das - July 20, 2007 1:10 pm
-How far is the near town? Is there good (or any) road going there?
Our property is between two towns; Samara and Nicoya. Samara is a beachtown that has restaurants, pharmacies, groceries, hardware and so on, and Nicoya is a bigger tico town that has probably anything you'll need. The towns are approx. 30 minute drive away up from our property, but there is a small grocery store about 10 minutes from our land (by car). The road between Nicoya and Samara is really good, western quality. The dirt road from the property to the Smara-Nicoya road is a bit rougher, but the bulldozer will make it better.
-How is religious tolerance there? Do local people know that you are Vaisnavas? How they cope with that fact?
Costa Ricans seem to be very easygoing and unprejudiced. Catholicism is the dominant religion, but Latin American Catholicism is much more tolerant than that of Eastern Europe.
The word "India" doesn't appear to register with locals, so we started explaining what we're doing as a yoga retreat. The locals are much more familiar with yoga; it is popular here. To Westerners, we've been presenting our project as a Hindu monastery and yoga retreat, and the response has been enthusiastic. Naturally we're avoiding calling ourself "Hare Krsnas" with a 100-foot pole.
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 20, 2007 3:45 pm
The word "India" doesn't appear to register with locals, so we started explaining what we're doing as a yoga retreat. The locals are much more familiar with yoga; it is popular here. To Westerners, we've been presenting our project as a Hindu monastery and yoga retreat, and the response has been enthusiastic. Naturally we're avoiding calling ourself "Hare Krsnas" with a 100-foot pole.
Remember that "los indios", according to the very confused Spanish and Portuguese explorers, are the indigenous people, not those from India. After many years and thousands of conversations I would say that most people in that part of the world will think "natives" and not "people from India" when you refer to "India". However, all of the people that I have spoken with about Krishna Conscious from that part of the world DO understand when you refer to "los hindu(s)" = people from India.
I have been observing for a long time now that the Mormons have had a huge presence in Latin America during at least the 25-30 years. One of my closet childhood friends (Elder Scott) spent several years going door to door all over the Americas and tells me he was well received by many. The only skeptics were those that thought they might be CIA Of course, he is very conversant in Spanish and agrees with me THAT that can make quite a difference in the presentation and perception of who people are and what they are like ("us" and "them")
You mentioned "the locals"; how are you communicating with the local people? I understand that there are many many English speakers in Costa Rica, but no one has mentioned the language barrier, if any
Syamasundara - July 20, 2007 5:39 pm
It's true, for the Spaniards and Latin Americans when you say America it means South America (the America that mattered to them for centuries), so much so that the Argentinian say United States of North America; so don't say "We are going back to America" hehe
And indio or india (Indian in Spanish) is more readily associated with the natives than with India. Better to use indúes to describe yourselves.
Bijaya Kumara Das - July 20, 2007 6:49 pm
I hope there is a plot left with water running through it. Need to have the wife see your post first before we can decide if we are in although she hinted at Costa Rica a few years back when the neighbor builder was selling out and moving there. Prospects are good.
Looks wonderful,
Vrindaranya Dasi - July 21, 2007 12:16 am
Remember that "los indios", according to the very confused Spanish and Portuguese explorers, are the indigenous people, not those from India. After many years and thousands of conversations I would say that most people in that part of the world will think "natives" and not "people from India" when you refer to "India". However, all of the people that I have spoken with about Krishna Conscious from that part of the world DO understand when you refer to "los hindu(s)" = people from India.
That would explain it.
Good point. I definitely think it is important to learn Spanish fluently. There are so many warm and genteel people here and limping along with my two years of high school Spanish is inadequate. I plan to start the Rosetta Stone course asap.Of course, he is very conversant in Spanish and agrees with me THAT that can make quite a difference in the presentation and perception of who people are and what they are like ("us" and "them")
You mentioned "the locals"; how are you communicating with the local people? I understand that there are many many English speakers in Costa Rica, but no one has mentioned the language barrier, if any
Guru Maharaja's ability to communicate in Spanish has been pretty impressive.
Syamasundara - July 21, 2007 1:23 am
Rosetta Stone is pretty good, I used it to learn Greek, then I came back to America and discontinued it.
Hey, anybody is welcome to chat in Spanish with me any time. I'm on Yahoo, msn, skype, you name it.
Myself these days I am coming to terms with the idea of having to drop my Madrid accent and ending up with what the Spaniards call tropical noise.
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 21, 2007 6:53 am
Does anyone know how much this Spanish courses in Costa-Rica?Its one year course or longer?I have no idea how long would it take for me learn Spanish fluently?
I am sure that determination to learn it is huge for everybody who wants leave there:).?
Syamasundara - July 21, 2007 7:17 am
Are you sure you need a course with a teacher and everything even just to begin? There are plenty of resources on the internet. If you have a peer-to-peer application, like e-mule you may be able to download something. I got the Pimsleur's audiofiles from somebody's pc to learn Japanese and Greek. With perseverance you may find all the lessons.
Also, Spanish is the second most spoken language on the planet, there must be two xillion webpages that teach it. Try the BBC website.
When I realized I passed the interview to go to work at Eurodisney in Paris I had a little problem still: I couldn't speak French. So I grabbed a book for the grammar and would fall asleep listening to online radio stations, especially with talk shows.
I would wake up knowing everything about child obesity or abortion in France
I think I am going to look for some costarican radio stations online myself soon, since, as of yet, I couldn't distinguish their accent from Venezuelan or Colombian.
In general everybody make sure you are learning American Spanish, as the personal pronouns change. Better still, make sure it's costarican, as some south american states use Tú for you, some Vos, some Usted for everyone, and some switch back and forth.
Verbs can be a problem, too. Verbs like coger, agarrar, tomar can mean very different things from country to country, or be used in some places and not in other; if you need a hint, think of "to screw" in English.
Aren't you Polish? Compared to how complex your language is, you are going to learn Spanish in no time.
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 21, 2007 7:30 am
Does anyone know how much this Spanish courses in Costa-Rica?Its one year course or longer?I have no idea how long would it take for me learn Spanish fluently?I am sure that determination to learn it is huge for everybody who wants leave there:).?
there is a language school in Samara, right on the beach. Prices here.I'm sure there are probably lots of other one around, but if you look at those prices getting a Rosette Stone set is not so expensive after all.
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 21, 2007 7:36 am
Yes I amPolish .As regards Spanish I have several books and cd but How you said we have to make sure that is American Spanish.I am affraid this is European Spanish books and cd..I live in London so maybe I can find any info. about courses hear.
Yes I try basics learn for my own and later improve it with the teacher.I do not have really talent to languages but I learned english in 1.5 years so It means I can learn Spanish in the same time. Let's see what's happen.
I have many friend (devotes) from ISCON who are from Latin America so schould be fine.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 21, 2007 7:54 am
Yes I amPolish .As regards Spanish I have several books and cd but How you said we have to make sure that is American Spanish.I am affraid this is European Spanish books and cd..I live in London so meaybe I can find any info. about courses hear.Yes I try basics learn for my own and later improve it with the teacher.I do not have really talent to languages but I learned english in 1.5 years so It means I can learn Spanish in the same time.
I have many friend (devotes) from ISCON who are from Latin America so schould be fine.
Dont worry Rama Govinda. I learned me spanish living in Spain and I have no problem with communicating with people from latin America. Only thng is I have to get rid of spanish accent. I also think you dont need any course. Just little of determination, taste and company, and it will come by itself, without even you noticing it Otherwise if you find some course there is no harm.
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 21, 2007 1:00 pm
Dont worry Rama Govinda. I learned me spanish living in Spain and I have no problem with communicating with people from latin America. Only thng is I have to get rid of spanish accent. I also think you dont need any course. Just little of determination, taste and company, and it will come by itself, without even you noticing it
Why do you have to get rid of the accent? It is never going to be your native language and you will naturally adopt the accent that is around you to some extent, so what's the point of going out of your way to drop an accent that isn't even your own?
Also, are you done learning your own language? My students ask me a lot, "how fluent can I get?" Well, just how "fluent" are you in your native language? I will say what GM has said about self-realization, forgive me if it offensive: It is not a cheap thing. To ask, when will I be fluent is sor t of like asking, when will I go back to Godhead? It makes it cheap, it doesn't acknowledge the hardwork that others have exerted to get where they are and it assumes that there is some sort of finish line to cross and say "I made it".
There isn't just one Spanish language and those that exist are changing, especially under the influence of English (see Spanglish 101) so just learn something standard - It's like when people tell me, you have to say "español" in México, they won't understand if you say "castellano" - rubbish... BTW, the Spanish have been at this a good while and know what there doing - and not everyone in Spain speaks the same way either. I will say you'll be a better speller if you start with castellano de Madrid
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 21, 2007 1:16 pm
Why do you have to get rid of the accent?
Because I dont like it?
Guru-nistha Das - July 21, 2007 2:17 pm
Madhavendra has just purchased a small lot!
Syamasundara - July 21, 2007 2:54 pm
I will say you'll be a better speller if you start with castellano de Madrid :Big Grin:
Good point.
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 21, 2007 3:01 pm
:Big Grin: 
Madhavendra has just purchased a small lot!
Welcome !!!!
Vivek - July 21, 2007 3:28 pm
syamasundar you know 7 languages right, or 9 . Could you list all of them :Big Grin:
Sridama Dasa - July 21, 2007 4:56 pm
I'm joining in late, but a couple questions:
What is the timeline for all of this? I know things are very much in the planning stages right now, but when does Guru Maharaja envision an Audarya community 'up and running' down there? What about the yoga retreat?
When are devotees planning (or expected) to build homes on the lots they're buying now? I'm assuming one would want to build relatively quickly? On a smaller lot, what size homes would be the norm -- 1000 square feet?
:Big Grin:
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 21, 2007 10:14 pm
I'm joining in late, but a couple questions:
What is the timeline for all of this? I know things are very much in the planning stages right now, but when does Guru Maharaja envision an Audarya community 'up and running' down there? What about the yoga retreat?
When are devotees planning (or expected) to build homes on the lots they're buying now? I'm assuming one would want to build relatively quickly? On a smaller lot, what size homes would be the norm -- 1000 square feet?
:Big Grin:
Yes want relatively quicly Fist of all As regards me I will be gradually pay for the lot.I try do it in one year and meybe another year to build a house.
The size homes I think it is individualy.50-100 m2 .It depends for who. We have in our sanga yoga teachers and massage therapist and other therapist so schould be fine and maybe I become a teacher in far future.
We have full staff! 
Swami - July 23, 2007 1:18 am
Just a quick note. We are off line for the most part until the 25, at which time we will be at Audarya.
Met with our builder from Fox Maple and it went extremely well. He already has a design (japanese timber frame) that works perfectly for out monastic cabins and retreat facilities. The quality of the end product would cost $400 per sq ft in the US. We will get it for $50 per sq ft. We will post some pictures shortly. The work on the yoga retreat has begun and we expect to break ground in January. It will take one year to build and some funding. Thoughtful devotees with access to funding should consult with me regarding our business plan. This is a 20 to 40%return perpetually. Thus far we have two investors. We need three more to begin the program, one that should generate enough funds to build Vrindavana project and the rest of the CR project as well.
Several other devotees are presently discussing lots with me. So that part of the program is also going well.
FLASH: Mel Gibson just moved into our neighborhood. Oh well!
Babhru Das - July 23, 2007 1:35 am
FLASH: Mel Gibson just moved into our neighborhood. Oh well!
I was just about to say that there may be hope for him yet. Then I remembered how obnoxious some people can be as neighbors. My friend Turiya das used to have a beautiful place in the country on Maui. A constant irritant the whole time they were there was their neighbor W. S. Merwin, the celebrated American poet. He hated the kirtans, tried to make trouble and noise, sometimes ran his chipper in hopes of disrupting the kirtan (and injured himself on one such occasion). Fortunately, there will probably be enough room between us and Mad Max that there'll be no hassle. I just hope he doesn't keep a bunch of cattle in the devotees' sight.
This is an amazing opportunity. I hope the devotees who have some resources will get in on the business part of the retreat center, or at least buy a lot. I would if I could, but my material life has pretty much unraveled by the influence of Providence.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 23, 2007 9:35 am
FLASH: Mel Gibson just moved into our neighborhood. Oh well!
:Big Grin:
I wasnt sure Maharaja if you are making fun of us, but then I googled and actually it says that Mel Gibson is really moving to Costa Rica. That would be news headlines if you make devotee out of him :]
Babhru Das - July 23, 2007 4:21 pm
Well, sweet kirtan, delicious prasadam, and nectarean Hari-katha from Swami are our secret weapon. I'm sure stranger things have happened.
Syamasundara - July 24, 2007 6:02 am
I don't care that he becomes a devotee as much as I do that he doesn't disturb my GM's seva. The idea disturbed ME all day. But anyway, when it comes to such large estates in the forest, the word "neighbor" becomes very vague.
Speaking of neighbors, I've hallucinated twice since I am in this house, I'd swear I'd heard a car come out of the garage with a kirtan on, but then it would turn out to be something else. The idea of having devotee neighbors or a city made me feel so good inside. When are we going to make our Salt Lake City, or rather, Ocean of Milk City?
For the time being, the Costa Rica project seems the closest thing, I keep imagining me invited at Madana Gopala's and Gaurangi's for kirtana, or the other way around, not because "it's time for it" like in a temple, but just cuz, instead of those neighbors that meet for ball game and booze.
If I think that when Guru Seva told me about Costa Rica it sounded more like GM wanted a retreat even from Audarya, where he could focus on his books with just one servant around, like SP did with Yamuna in the Himalayas (I believe). What a different scenario!
Babhru Das - July 24, 2007 6:48 am
I don't care that he becomes a devotee as much as I do that he doesn't disturb my GM's seva. The idea disturbed ME all day. But anyway, when it comes to such large estates in the forest, the word "neighbor" becomes very vague.
Yep. In Turiya's case, Merwin's house was in sight, more or less. Turiya's place was only about six acres, and the neighbors were close enough that you could hear parties and, in the case of Turiya and Merwin, kirtans.
I keep imagining me invited at Madana Gopala's and Gaurangi's for kirtana, or the other way around, not because "it's time for it" like in a temple, but just cuz
Yeah--that's life! But you can do that in a village; don't need a city.
Bijaya Kumara Das - July 24, 2007 7:49 am
What I understand about Mel Gibson is that he is just a typical america and by now probably quite fed up with the status qou and ready for the real Passion of the Christ experience and Guru Maharaja is the one to give to him.
I heard part of his interview on the actors studio show. He seemed to be a very genuine individual and really thrown into the lime light by a few good breaks caused by his hard work in theater.
Maybe Guru Maharaja, your idea of "we could make a real movie about Guarangas experiences and show the public ..... " may happen if the right circumstance presents itself. I would have to hear the cd of your talk for the rest of what message you were trying to get across.
I think his heart is in a good place and with the right direction he could be a great help to Guru Maharaja.
Syamasundara - July 24, 2007 8:19 am
Ah so he IS the one who did the Passion of Christ.
I am not sure I am ready to see the Passion of Thakura Haridas just yet, especially in his style. Plus, I believe he is a fervent Christian. Other than that, yes, it would be nice to join GM sensibility and vision with the resources of a film maker. They don't know what to make movies about any more; everything should be of the highest quality, though.
People accepted the Little Buddha, or other movies. They had the guts to come out with the Legend of Bagger Vance...
If it comes from Hollywood, people are more prone to accept just about anything.
OH! What about that German nazi who goes to India and becomes a Gaudiya Vaisnava? That would be probably the most digestible story, and it's a true one, too.
There would be aspects that people are familiar with and relate to, like WW2, and there could be parallel scenes of Srila Bkaktisiddhanta expanding his movement, and that would also be a good way to introduce the philosophy, the maha mantra and Mahaprabhu, as it would look like it's their tradition, and then both worlds come together, and people will be able to relate to that, too, through the plot, without even realizing all that has to do with those Hare Krsnas at the airport or Rainbow Gathering.
Something between the Piano Player and the movie about Gandhi.
Ok, I've got it all down. What's Mel's phone number, anyone?
Bhrigu - July 24, 2007 9:34 am
OH! What about that German nazi who goes to India and becomes a Gaudiya Vaisnava? That would be probably the most digestible story, and it's a true one, too.
Who was that?
Madan Gopal Das - July 24, 2007 10:53 am
I keep imagining me invited at Madana Gopala's and Gaurangi's for kirtana
As soon as we have a place to cook and have kirtan, you are ALL officially invited! I can't wait for the day when we can have all of you over for prasad. Also can't wait to meet our European godsibling neighbors! I'll hold off on inviting Mel though. The guy is way too conservative, racist and not a very good actor for my tastes. We'll send him some christmas cookies or something! :Big Grin:
Vivek - July 24, 2007 2:52 pm
As soon as we have a place to cook and have kirtan, you are ALL officially invited! I can't wait for the day when we can have all of you over for prasad. Also can't wait to meet our European godsibling neighbors! I'll hold off on inviting Mel though. The guy is way too conservative, racist and not a very good actor for my tastes. We'll send him some christmas cookies or something! :Big Grin:
Maybe it is harsh to be so judgemental about him, though there is a chance that what you say is true.
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/20...ews-a-bad-name/
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 24, 2007 7:58 pm
Who was that?
Syamasundara, not all Germans were nazis in the second world war! (geez these italians :Big Grin:) He means Walter Eidlitz I assume.
hahaha GM mentions Mel Gibson in a by-sentence and everyone is going crazy.
Syamasundara - July 25, 2007 6:25 am
Oh right, he wasn't a Nazi, the English imprison him in India, just because he was a German. I'll never understand war... But yes, the name rings a bell. What was the name of the book?
Syamasundara - July 25, 2007 6:43 am
hahaha GM mentions Mel Gibson in a by-sentence and everyone is going crazy.
My favorite is still when GM sent a copy of Form of Beauty to Madonna with a letter that ended something like: "Better to be a spiritual girl in a material world."
Bhrigu - July 25, 2007 7:01 am
Oh right, he wasn't a Nazi, the English imprison him in India, just because he was a German. I'll never understand war... But yes, the name rings a bell. What was the name of the book?
No, Walther Eidlitz was no German Nazi, he was an Austrian Jew. The book is called "Journey to Unknown India" in English.
Syamasundara - July 25, 2007 7:48 am
There you go...
Swami - July 27, 2007 11:42 pm
We have sold eight lots thus far:
1. Gaurangi
2. Jiva-daya
3. Rama Govinda
4. Madhavendra
5. Manohari
6. Patryk
7. Syamasundara
8. Audarya-lila
They are going quickly!
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - July 28, 2007 12:11 am
We have sold eight lots thus far:
1. Gaurangi
2. Jiva-daya
3. Rama Govinda
4. Madhavendra
5. Manohari
6. Patryk
7. Syamasundara
8. Audarya-lila
They are going quickly!
I am so happy to see my name on this list. Me and Tulasi (my better half) we can not wait to meet all of you, and to see the place. We still dont know how the situation will develop, but we are open for Krishna's plan as much as we can. See you soon (I hope).
Syamasundara - July 28, 2007 3:45 am
Oh wow it sounds like a great neighborhood 
, one where I would wanna bring up my kids, or something...
Jiva-daya Dasa - July 28, 2007 4:06 pm
It is really enlivening to see such faith in Sri Guru and Gauranga! Such faith and confidence in the mission! I am inspired by all of you and am yet again reminded of how desperately I need your good and focused association. I am really thankful for Krsna's mercy manifesting itself in this way. I know all of us in some way or another will help each other to flourish on on the spiritual path.
vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca
kripa-sindhubhya eva ca
patitanam pavanebhyo
vaishnavebhyo namo namah
Babhru Das - July 28, 2007 8:58 pm
I've been feeling the same way, Jiva-daya prabhu. I feel very fortunate for the company of all the devotees here, even though that association has mostly been virtual (or whatever we call it these days) so far. By Swami's gentle influence, my life has come to a juncture where that association will be much closer from now on, whether at Audarya, in Costa Rica, or wherever I may best serve, and that prospect is really exciting.
I offer my heartfelt obeisances too all the devotees and thank you all for your examples and encouragement.
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 28, 2007 11:00 pm
I am also very that I am on the list.I need yours association so much.When you work and you do not have time to see devotes,it makes you very weak.
I hope there will be a lot of seva for us in Costa-Rica in order to be each other and serve together for Guru Maharaj.I am not very active in this forum but I am hear almost few times a day.Every day I expect new news or new subject as regards our sanga.I believe if we do one step and after another one in Guru Maharaj and Gauranga direction then Krsna will help us even a little bit.We need this support.I need you because without it my life is completly boring and full of suffer
It is nice to see 4(5 with Tulasi dasi) devotes from Poland who both the plots.:)There will be nice party :Big Grin:
Manohari Dasi - July 29, 2007 12:17 am
I feel so fortunate to have association all of you. Looks like Costa Rica will be the most affordable destination for me in few years to retire. I have been contemplating about retirement in association of devotees and living in warm climate... Guru Maharaja makes it possible. Now, I just need to work harder to save enough money... but the goal is worth the effort…
Swami - July 29, 2007 1:32 am
We sold two more lots today and both families have also invested in the yoga retreat:
1. Agnideva and family
2. Prabhanu and family
Audarya-lila has also invested in the yoga retreat. So we only need two more investors to build the retreat.
Regarding Agniveda, I think everyone knows who he is and what an asset he will be to the project. His wife, Ratna-cintamani is perhaps less well known but has as much as Agnideva to contribute. The two of them resurrected and ran Iskcon’s Laguna Beach temple for many years and then opened several successful resturaunts. Ratna also has extensive experience in school management and is very interested in helping to develop a school within the community.
Most of you do not know Prabhanu or his wife Pancajani. They are both disciples of Srila Prabhupada. They opened the Mauritius (sp?) Iskcon temple together and managed the Iskcon Detroit temple (Fischer Mansion) for many years. Since then they have owned and managed a very successful health food store in Oregon. They used to host me at their house when I lived in Oregon and have been listening to my CD lectures for several years. Pancajani is from Gujarat and is an excellent cook. Prabhanu was with us recently in Costa Rica. Both very good people.
All of this is very encouraging.
Syamasundara - July 29, 2007 6:32 am
I've been feeling the same way, Jiva-daya prabhu.
Yeah, ditto. Sometimes I want to browse other devotees' groups and forums to see if they have what we have.
I usually explain to people what TV is by saying it's a virtual lounge where we all gather at the end of the day, no matter what part of the planet we connect from, and we feel like home. The six exchanges of love among the Vaishnavas are present here (of course, the food part has to be interpreted a bit, but bhakti feels like eating, doesn't it?).
Costa rica is going to be a tangible Tattva Viveka.
I am glad to read that Prabhanu is still around, and so active to actually have even gone to Costa Rica.
Syamasundara - July 29, 2007 6:59 am
Here is an online radio from Guanacaste. It's too late now and they are not airing, but I am eager to hear their accent. The only tico I know was Bhakti Abhaya Carana Swami, but I only always heard him speak in Italian in Italy, and in English in Vrndavana. I hope he is doing better now.
Vrindaranya Dasi - July 30, 2007 2:40 pm
Here is a picture of what the cabins for the yoga retreat and the monastics will look like.
A small pavilion being constructed:
Detail of a gate:
Pool ideas:
Rama-Govinda Dasa - July 30, 2007 9:03 pm
I love this architecture.I liked Japan's architecture few years ago .It seems for me wery simple and very practical when you live in the country side or in the mountain with very good weather for whole year.
Thanks Mataji for show us these pictures and I think my little house in the future will be look in this style.
Syamasundara - July 31, 2007 5:30 am
"Will" look like? Are you guys gathering ideas, or there actually is an architect already at work with a clear plan and flavor?
Is it going to be so flat out Japanese or a fusion, like at Audarya? A group of Americans creating an India-related yoga retreat in Costa Rica with 100% Japanese architecture would strike me the same as a group of Greeks opening a pizzeria shaped like an all-American red barn in Egypt. :Big Grin: 
These words sound so loaded with criticism, but I am really just asking, maybe my way. The Japanese woodwork in itself is wonderful, and the pool and the fence are the best.
Syama Gopala Dasa - July 31, 2007 7:23 am
on that first picture, there is a hole in the cabin wall on the right side of the deck and the left side of the bench. It seems to have a sliding door or smth. What is that?
The pictures look great! And Syama-sundara this is the yoga retreat, we haven't seen pictures of the temple yet.
Syamasundara - July 31, 2007 4:01 pm
Meaning what? It makes perfect sense for a yoga retreat to be in 100% Japanese style (which we haven't had confirmation of yet)?
By the way, I am not an advocate of the super vedic, vastu-sastra based, xillion statue type temples, if that's what my words seemed to imply.
Vrindaranya Dasi - August 8, 2007 1:23 am
I came across a job description today that I thought might be of interest to those who need to work in Costa Rica (or elsewhere for that matter). It is called a virtual assistant. It is like an administrative assistant, however it is done through the Internet. Amazon has a couple of books on setting up a business in this field. Perhaps some devotees could do this individually or someone could set up a business (make a website and get clients) and hire other devotees.
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 8, 2007 7:40 am
The thing to keep in my mind is that with such a business you're competing with India. For instance, http://yourmaninindia.com/
This should not be a stumbling block, as long as you'll be able to prove your competitive edge to future employers.
(I've been reading the book the Fourhour Workweek in which among others the author promotes virtual assistants.)
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 14, 2007 10:41 am
One of the popular Dutch newspapers had an article today about how Costa Rica and especially the Nicoya area is becoming the place to be for the Hollywood jetset. They mention Harrison Ford, David Hasselhoff, Lisa Marie Presley, Michael Jordan, Rod Stewart and others.
We came in just at the right time!
Jiva-daya Dasa - August 14, 2007 8:27 pm
I was wondering if any or all of the folks who have shown interest (and excitment) in leasing land in CR would like to do a conference call to express their ideas, plans, concerns, and perhaps to formulate important and pertinant questions that could be later posed to Guru Maharaja about the retreat and community. It seems to me that some of us may have some questions in common and a conference call would be a nice way of sharing.
Anyone interested? Maharaja, does this sound like a useful idea?
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - August 14, 2007 9:27 pm
I was wondering if any or all of the folks who have shown interest (and excitment) in leasing land in CR would like to do a conference call to express their ideas, plans, concerns, and perhaps to formulate important and pertinant questions that could be later posed to Guru Maharaja about the retreat and community. It seems to me that some of us may have some questions in common and a conference call would be a nice way of sharing.
Anyone interested? Maharaja, does this sound like a useful idea?
I think that's great idea and definietely I would take part in such conference. I would be happy to talk to people who want to be part of the project, how they see it, what they expect and so on. It's going to be for me litlle hard, because I dont know you guys, and I may have problems with expressing myself (because of being shy I guess 
), but I think it would help to clear some doubts and concerns. Any way, I am in.
Madan Gopal Das - August 14, 2007 11:41 pm
It's going to be for me litlle hard, because I dont know you guys, and I may have problems with expressing myself (because of being shy I guess
Don't be shy... We're NEIGHBORS!!! 
Swami - August 14, 2007 11:47 pm
I was wondering if any or all of the folks who have shown interest (and excitment) in leasing land in CR would like to do a conference call to express their ideas, plans, concerns, and perhaps to formulate important and pertinant questions that could be later posed to Guru Maharaja about the retreat and community. It seems to me that some of us may have some questions in common and a conference call would be a nice way of sharing.
Anyone interested? Maharaja, does this sound like a useful idea?
Ah, no taxation without representation.
The good news is Jagadisvara and Dhira-lalita have committed to an investment in the yoga retreat and a lot. They will join me there in January ( I will be going in December for 3 months with three monastics), and Jagadisvara will be heading up the costruction of the retreat to begin with and possibly the building of houses on the lots in the future.
Syamasundara - August 15, 2007 5:24 am
Ah, no taxation without representation.
I don't understand...
Otherwise, let me know when the call is.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - August 15, 2007 7:48 am
I don't understand...
Otherwise, let me know when the call is.
After wikipedia:
"No taxation without representation" was a slogan in the period 1763-1775 that summarized a primary grievance of the American colonists in the Thirteen colonies. The colonists complained that taxes were imposed by Parliament without the consent of the colonists, which violated the traditional rights of Englishmen dating back from the Magna Carta. The point was that the colonies had no representation in Parliament; the British responded that they were "virtually" represented. The Americans said these "virtual representatives" knew nothing about America. The Americans rejected the Stamp Act 1765 (which was repealed), and in 1773 violently rejected the tax on imports at the Boston Tea Party. When Great Britain began to crack down on the illegal activities performed by the colonists, the colonists formed militias and seized control of each colony, ousting the royal governors. The complaint was never over the amount of taxation (which was small), but always on the decision-making process by which taxes were decided in London, without representation for the colonists in British Parliament.
The phrase "No Taxation Without Representation!" was coined by Reverend Jonathan Mayhew in a sermon in Boston in 1750. By 1765 the term "no taxation without representation" was in use in Boston, but no one is sure who first used it. Boston politician James Otis was most famously associated with the term, "taxation without representation is tyranny."
Syamasundara - August 15, 2007 2:50 pm
Aha... I still don't get it.
Just kidding.
Vrindaranya Dasi - August 15, 2007 9:47 pm
"Only Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu can give the conception of full-fledged theism. It is his grace, his sweet will. It is his own wealth, not the property of many. Krsna is an autocrat. He is the highest. And whomever he selects to receive his own wealth will get it. No one can raise the question of "no taxation without representation"--there is no room for that sort of slogan here." (The Golden Volcano of Divine Love)
By the way, I just came across a list of cost of living in various cities. San Jose, the capital of Costa Rica, is 135 on the list.
World's most and least expensive cities
Source: Mercer Human Resource Consulting, 2005
Cost-of-Living Survey
2005
Rank City
1 Tokyo, Japan
2 Osaka, Japan
3 London, United Kingdom
4 Moscow, Russia
5 Seoul, South Korea
6 Geneva, Switzerland
7 Zurich, Switzerland
8 Copenhagen, Denmark
9 Hong Kong, Hong Kong
10 Oslo, Norway
11 Milan, Italy
12 Paris, France
13 New York City, United States
13 Dublin, Ireland
15 St. Petersburg, Russia
16 Vienna, Austria
17 Rome, Italy
18 Stockholm, Sweden
19 Beijing, China
20 Sydney, Australia
20 Helsinki, Finland
22 Douala, Cameroon
22 Istanbul, Turkey
24 Amsterdam, Netherlands
24 Budapest, Hungary
26 Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire
27 Warsaw, Poland
28 Prague, Czech Republic
29 Taipei, Taiwan
30 Shanghai, China
31 Bratislava, Slovak Republic
32 Düsseldorf, Germany
33 Luxembourg, Luxembourg
34 Singapore, Singapore
34 Frankfurt, Germany
36 Dakar, Senegal
37 Munich, Germany
38 Berlin, Germany
39 Tel Aviv, Israel
40 Glasgow, United Kingdom
41 Athens, Greece
41 Brussels, Belgium
43 Barcelona, Spain
44 Los Angeles, United States
45 White Plains, United States
46 Madrid, Spain
47 Birmingham, United Kingdom
48 Zagreb, Croatia
49 Hamburg, Germany
50 Hanoi, Vietnam
50 San Francisco, United States
52 Chicago, United States
52 Beirut, Lebanon
54 Riga, Latvia
54 Kiev, Ukraine
56 Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam
57 Miami, United States
58 Algiers, Algeria
59 Casablanca, Morocco
60 Tallin, Estonia
61 Lyon, France
61 Honolulu, United States
63 Shenzhen, China
64 Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
65 Guangzhou, China
66 Lisbon, Portugal
67 Amman, Jordan
68 Melbourne, Australia
69 Auckland, New Zealand
70 Houston, United States
71 Jakarta, Indonesia
72 Kuwait City, Kuwait
73 Dubai, United Arab Emirates
74 San Juan, Puerto Rico
75 Almaty, Kazakhstan
76 Wellington, New Zealand
76 Ljubljana, Slovenia
78 Washington, D.C., United States
79 Boston, United States
80 Morristown, United States
81 Sofia, Bulgaria
82 Toronto, Canada
83 Atlanta, United States
84 Brisbane, Australia
85 Leipzig, Germany
86 Manama, Bahrain
87 Vancouver, Canada
88 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
89 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
89 Adelaide, Australia
91 Vilnius, Lithuania
91 Accra, Ghana
93 Perth, Australia
94 Denver, United States
95 Mexico City, Mexico
96 Lagos, Nigeria
97 Cairo, Egypt
98 Calgary, Canada
99 Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
100 Limassol, Cyprus
101 Detroit, United States
102 St. Louis, United States
103 Seattle, United States
103 Bucharest, Romania
105 Kingston, Jamaica
105 Mumbai, India
107 Montreal, Canada
108 Guatemala City, Guatemala
109 Cleveland, United States
110 New Delhi, India
111 Pittsburgh, United States
112 Portland (Ore.), United States
113 Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei
114 Panama City, Panama
115 Monterrey, Mexico
116 Johannesburg, South Africa
117 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
118 Lima, Peru
119 Nairobi, Kenya
119 Winston-Salem, United States
119 São Paulo, Brazil
122 Ottawa, Canada
123 Lusaka, Zambia
124 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
125 Bangkok, Thailand
126 Tunis, Tunisia
127 Dacca (Dhaka), Bangladesh
128 Santiago, Chile
129 Tehran, Iran
130 Blantyre, Malawi
131 Tianjin, China
132 Colombo, Sri Lanka
133 Bogotá, Colombia
134 Harare, Zimbabwe
135 San José, Costa Rica
136 Karachi, Pakistan
137 Quito, Ecuador
138 Chennai (Madras), India
138 Caracas, Venezuela
140 Montevideo, Uruguay
141 Bangalore, India
142 Buenos Aires, Argentina
143 Manila, Philippines
144 Asunción, Paraguay
Babhru Das - August 16, 2007 2:42 pm
Life's funny. For years I've been offering bananas grown in my yard, or just a few miles away. Now I'm offering bananas with a much larger carbon footprint, but also with a peek into the future. They're from Costa Rica.
Jiva-daya Dasa - August 17, 2007 7:25 pm
Ah, no taxation without representation.
I didn't want to disturb anyone with this idea (and for that very reason almost didn't post it) but the active participation of the community seems to be crucial in the success of this sort of endeavor, most especially at the onset of the project. For some that participation begins with honest inquiry and the sharing of ideas. I just personally thought it to be a potentially healthy exchange of ideas and a way of clarifying some of the details that will no doubt be addressed at some point in the future but, by being talked about early on, may give some a better idea of what's what. If there are set plans for what is to go on there and how things might unfold, a sort of map to follow, by all means, that would be good to hear about. :Big Grin:
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 18, 2007 8:07 am
if Audarya needs help with the google earth map let me know as well.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - August 23, 2007 7:48 am
Any news about situation in Costa Rica? Are they any devotees doing something there right now and so on? I am just curious (and impatient )
Vrindaranya Dasi - August 23, 2007 2:55 pm
Guru Maharaja is going with 3 devotees from Nov. 24, 2007-Feb. 12,2008. He is planning to get the infrastructure in (power, water, septic., etc.) and start the building of the cabins. A number of other devotees are planning to visit during that time, including Agnideva & Ratna, Dhira-lalita & Jagadisvara, Audarya-lila, Hari-bhakti, Prahlad, Anuradha, and Braja-lila.
Syamasundara - August 23, 2007 4:58 pm
And me!
Swami - August 23, 2007 5:59 pm
I didn't want to disturb anyone with this idea (and for that very reason almost didn't post it) but the active participation of the community seems to be crucial in the success of this sort of endeavor, most especially at the onset of the project. For some that participation begins with honest inquiry and the sharing of ideas. I just personally thought it to be a potentially healthy exchange of ideas and a way of clarifying some of the details that will no doubt be addressed at some point in the future but, by being talked about early on, may give some a better idea of what's what. If there are set plans for what is to go on there and how things might unfold, a sort of map to follow, by all means, that would be good to hear about.
Yes, I understand. More details will be available early next year.
Vivek - August 23, 2007 7:14 pm
oh, that means GM will not be coming to NC again this year .
But Costa Rica project obviously needs priority.
Babhru Das - August 23, 2007 7:39 pm
Vivek, I think he told me he is planning to go to NC this fall. He may be going to CR from there. Stay tuned . . .
Nitaisundara Das - August 23, 2007 8:41 pm
oh, that means GM will not be coming to NC again this year .But Costa Rica project obviously needs priority.
Actually, it means he will be coming more!!! He will be stopping in NC for approximately a week, both on his way to Costa Rica and on his way back. So it works out well for you east coasters.
Madan Gopal Das - August 24, 2007 1:44 am
Yes, lucky us!!! GM will be here 11/15 - 11/23, then again 2/13/08 - 2/15/08. Anybody from anywhere in the world who wants to come, please do! We'd love to entertain more of you -
Syamasundara - August 27, 2007 5:14 am
Yesterday I was working in Old Town, the original San Diego, when it ws a mexican pueblo. The shop next to me, however, was playing all kinds of caribbean music. At some point I had a day dream of one of my godbrothers tasting prasada in our place in Costa Rica and saying: "Aaaaay qué rico, papi!" (Lit.: Oh, how rich, buddy!).
Hehe, that could very well happen one day. Enough with Western devotees that say accha, baba, bas, calo, etc... Time for a new brand
Krsangi Dasi - September 24, 2007 6:43 am
Hooray! Kamalaksa and I have just booked flights to Costa Rica, we'll arrive in San Jose on December 27th and leave on January 7th. We're hoping that we'll be of some help there, and not just getting in the way of people trying to work...
Syamasundara - September 24, 2007 9:05 am
Some cool links, I hope:
Nitaisundara Das - September 25, 2007 2:55 am
Hooray! Kamalaksa and I have just booked flights to Costa Rica, we'll arrive in San Jose on December 27th and leave on January 7th. We're hoping that we'll be of some help there, and not just getting in the way of people trying to work...
Cool, looking forward to meeting you both! looks like with all the people coming to visit we'll have a little tent city going on.
Syamasundara - September 27, 2007 6:38 am
Here is another link about natural building. I don't particularly like their style, but I loved the bathroom walls sealed with olive oil soap, and the caseine paints.
http://www.caneloproject.com/pages/canelob...obuildings.html
I could totally live in a house like this, though:
http://www.caneloproject.com/pages/caneloinfo/where.html
Syamasundara - September 29, 2007 8:11 pm
I wonder how long Costa Rica is going to remain the heaven it is.
Syama Gopala Dasa - September 30, 2007 9:31 am
I wonder how long Costa Rica is going to remain the heaven it is.
I saw that video a while ago, and there are a few more like this, but they are nothing compared to the number of videos about CR's nature/ eco tourism. CR is still a country covered in jungle. This video doesn't scare me much.
Syamasundara - September 30, 2007 2:27 pm
Somehow I don't trust the latin/catholic approach to things, but hey, if they managed to distinguish themselves from the rest of Latin America, maybe they'll continue that way. Then again, the economy there seems ruled by American corporations, and I don't quite like their approach either...
Did you see that documentary about how Walmart alone is causing unemployment, pollution, schools and firefighters headquarters to close, and disgrace wherever it appears? Think of how much Vrndavana has changed without Hewlett Packard being there. However, I am very much encouraged by Costarican stress on education and their high rate of literacy, that can mean a lot for a country's health and sanity. But as a US expert you should know that well... 
What keeps bugging me is that in all videos and pictures, even the travel guide ones, that are supposed to attract people, the sky was always gray and Irish looking. 
Syama Gopala Dasa - September 30, 2007 2:43 pm
you want blue skies? http://flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=%22c...+sky&m=text
Yes the high literacy was one of the reasons why CR was so attractive of going there in the first place! When I visited CR in June, I didn't see much tourism nor industry. It just depends on where you go within the country. Yes it will be more populated and touristy, but where we are in CR that will be a long time before we will see anything close.
Syamasundara - September 30, 2007 3:03 pm
Thanks, I'll watch the pics when I come back from work. Sure, we won't have much to do with Costa Rica per se in many ways, I was just expressing some generic concern.
Gandiva Dasi - September 30, 2007 6:03 pm
"Somehow I don't trust the latin/catholic approach to things"
Hey what exactly do you have against Latin catholics?
Gandiva aka Gabriella Navarro, daughter of Eduardo Luis, confirmed Gabriella Lucy Navarro
Syamasundara - September 30, 2007 8:49 pm
Oh nothing againt the people. I guess, as an Italian, I am also latin/catholic, even more so. I was referring to a certain mentality that brought about things like the inquisition, slavery, the conquistadores, and the modern general corruption of Latin America as opposed to the Celts, who were also quite rough, but for example they would do things like plant a tree for every born baby, and feed it the placenta to create a bond, or the Vedic culture.
Or take Germany and Spain. Spain started talking of recycling in 2006 when I was there, and vegetarian was such a weird concept, whereas in Germany they recycle and have health food stores since the 80's.
Prema-bhakti - September 30, 2007 9:35 pm
"Somehow I don't trust the latin/catholic approach to things"Hey what exactly do you have against Latin catholics?
Gandiva aka Gabriella Navarro, daughter of Eduardo Luis, confirmed Gabriella Lucy Navarro
You forgot Louise or better yet Luisa or Louisa, Gabriella Louisa Lucy Navarro. 
Us Latin Catholics from Queens, NY have to stick together.
Syamasundara - September 30, 2007 9:42 pm
you want blue skies? http://flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=%22c...+sky&m=text
I saw the pics... and I remembered you are Dutch, and probably have a different conception of lovely day. I remember in Ireland, people would tell me "Beautiful day, eh?" just because it wasn't raining and there was a little triangle of blue sky surrounded by gray clouds. I would reply with another ironic remark, only to realize they weren't being ironic at all! By blue sky I mean from the horizon to the zenith, like here in San Diego, or in Madrid, I saw a pic like that after 3 pages in the site you gave me. See what I mean? But who cares, everything else about our place there is going to be so cool, and I can always go on vacation somewhere during the rainy season.
Nanda-tanuja Dasa - October 1, 2007 1:57 am
'Cause I've seen blue skies
Through the tears in my eyes
And I realize I'm going home
I'm going home
Syamasundara - October 7, 2007 8:46 am
I had this interesting dream. We were in Costa Rica and we all had so many mangos we decided to have a contest for the best mango acar to present GM with. I was all excited, but then I thought that Pañcajani was going to win for sure, she is Indian; but maybe not, maybe GM will recognize the expertise in one acar, yet what caught his attention and stuck in his mind is someone else's, because of the devotion.
Right after (time is very relative in dreams) it was a lasagna contest, and I was sure to win. What do these people know about lasagna? They buy the noodles at the store, they make the sauce in 20 min, I'll use this one cheese they never even heard about, I'll cook it the day before so the flavors set, I'll do this and that... and then the lightening struck me. Instead of trying to surprise and impress GM, I just started to correspond with him and asked him exactly the way he wanted it. Do you want it cheesy? With white sauce? With fake meat sauce or "ricotta e spinaci"? That is so not me, I'm rather the kind of stupid ass that many times thought "I won't ask GM, otherwise he'll say no, or he'll say do that this other (to me uneventful) way."
And he was very captivated by that, no one else had thought about it. So I guess I would have won, but I woke up before the... award.
I like to grow up in dreams while sleeping, it's so convenient. It happened a few more times.
Jiva-daya Dasa - October 19, 2007 3:52 pm
Oh nothing againt the people. I guess, as an Italian, I am also latin/catholic, even more so. I was referring to a certain mentality that brought about things like the inquisition, slavery, the conquistadores, and the modern general corruption of Latin America as opposed to the Celts, who were also quite rough, but for example they would do things like plant a tree for every born baby, and feed it the placenta to create a bond, or the Vedic culture.Or take Germany and Spain. Spain started talking of recycling in 2006 when I was there, and vegetarian was such a weird concept, whereas in Germany they recycle and have health food stores since the 80's.
For the record: If we take a closer look, we find that Spain began recycling programs well before the new millenium. Also, while perhaps there are relatively few self-proclaimed vegetarians, health food stores have been around since the late seventies. Generalizations, while very useful for making a valid point, can sometimes mislead and even misrepresent peoples and customs. Just couldn't resist...
Syamasundara - October 19, 2007 4:35 pm
Sure, any time. I know I have a problem with generalizing. At the same time I was in Madrid in 2006, my Italian friend Roberta would have to walk several blocks with bags full of bottles and cans to go to the first recycling bin available, while everyone was staring at her. The people I was living with wouldn't even break down containers and they would fill a bag of trash by just dumping an uncrushed bottle of coke and a box of cereal. It's not that people were wishing they had better infrastructures, it's just that the culture wasn't there, while in Northern Italy there are several recycling companies and my sister has a fourfold garbage container under the sink: organic material, inorganic, paper, plastic.
Health food stores were there, but nobody goes there. It took me forever to find a place that had barley when I wanted to make a soup, and it was 3 times the price I've usually seen it at. What can I say?
Various kinds of people can be found in all cultures, according to the gunas, but some general trends are there.
When I was working "as a Mexican" in the vineyards of Mendocino County, some of the workers had caps with the silhouette of a woman, a bottle of beer and the dollar symbol embroidered on, and the writing "Todo pa' mi" (all for me). Would you see an Indian wearing something like that?
My iTunes was in shuffling mode days ago and it selected that Costarican Radio I linked here before. There was a host saying how important it is to vote, that other Latin American countries don't have the privilege and freedom that Costa Rica has, that they should express their vote, it doesn't matter who they vote for, whether left or right, but vote FOR THE LEFT, VOTE FOR THE LEFT, VOTE FOR THE LEFT, why would you vote for the right anyway?
Now, I understand that, as it's usually the case, the right probably stood for a military party, or one that would mean dictatorship, but I was dumbfounded at what I was hearing. Sure, simple people are everywhere, and that could have been aired in some African state with the same level of development, but I found it to be quite typically Latin nonetheless.
Jiva-daya Dasa - October 19, 2007 6:40 pm
Sure, any time. I know I have a problem with generalizing. At the same time I was in Madrid in 2006, my Italian friend Roberta would have to walk several blocks with bags full of bottles and cans to go to the first recycling bin available, while everyone was staring at her. The people I was living with wouldn't even break down containers and they would fill a bag of trash by just dumping an uncrushed bottle of coke and a box of cereal. It's not that people were wishing they had better infrastructures, it's just that the culture wasn't there, while in Northern Italy there are several recycling companies and my sister has a fourfold garbage container under the sink: organic material, inorganic, paper, plastic.Health food stores were there, but nobody goes there. It took me forever to find a place that had barley when I wanted to make a soup, and it was 3 times the price I've usually seen it at. What can I say?
Various kinds of people can be found in all cultures, according to the gunas, but some general trends are there.
When I was working "as a Mexican" in the vineyards of Mendocino County, some of the workers had caps with the silhouette of a woman, a bottle of beer and the dollar symbol embroidered on, and the writing "Todo pa' mi" (all for me). Would you see an Indian wearing something like that?
My iTunes was in shuffling mode days ago and it selected that Costarican Radio I linked here before. There was a host saying how important it is to vote, that other Latin American countries don't have the privilege and freedom that Costa Rica has, that they should express their vote, it doesn't matter who they vote for, whether left or right, but vote FOR THE LEFT, VOTE FOR THE LEFT, VOTE FOR THE LEFT, why would you vote for the right anyway?
Now, I understand that, as it's usually the case, the right probably stood for a military party, or one that would mean dictatorship, but I was dumbfounded at what I was hearing. Sure, simple people are everywhere, and that could have been aired in some African state with the same level of development, but I found it to be quite typically Latin nonetheless.
Great points, Spain is far behind other European countries in many respects, very frustrating when you live there... As for the CR radio, in 2006, how odd to hear such liberal views form such a conservative (not dictatorial but very right wing) country. I think it is typical for many LA countries because of the dictatorships that many have suffered through, sort of a knee-jerk reaction to it all. At least they have a reaction, many here in the US don't say anything at all when confronted with a government that lies and systematically supresses its people and others while pointing fingers at "the commies" or whatever.
Wow, this has gotten away from me... sorry to turn this forum in this direction. But I'm still glad to see you addressing these issues. I always get something form reading your posts. Thanks.
Syamasundara - December 25, 2007 4:04 pm
Is there a way to make a common septic tank in the property, that can be also fed from the outside with garden and cow waste material, to make biogas for the whole community? Like at the bottom of the land? We could run our vehicles with it, our kitchens, heat water, fertilize the garden...
Check this out