Tattva-viveka
Tattva-viveka and External Sites
Citta Hari Dasa - August 21, 2008 5:00 am
Dear Tattva-vivekis:
As some of you may know we have a thread here on the Tattva-viveka with regard to a website called Hare Krishna Women. It appears that someone from this forum sent the owner of the site copy-and-pastes of statements made on this forum which she subsequently posted on her blog. This compromises the confidence of the forum, which is a private forum for a reason: people speak differently in private than they would in public. Guru Maharaja has asked me to post and request that the person responsible for this action reveal him- or herself, for it is a blatant violation of the privacy of the members of the forum.
Daso'smi,
Citta Hari dasa
Gaura-Vijaya Das - August 21, 2008 2:17 pm
Dear Tattva-vivekis:
As some of you may know we have a thread here on the Tattva-viveka with regard to a website called Hare Krishna Women. It appears that someone from this forum sent the owner of the site copy-and-pastes of statements made on this forum which she subsequently posted on her blog. This compromises the confidence of the forum, which is a private forum for a reason: people speak differently in private than they would in public. Guru Maharaja has asked me to post and request that the person responsible for this action reveal him- or herself, for it is a blatant violation of the privacy of the members of the forum.
Daso'smi,
Citta Hari dasa
I Can see google.com as one of the accessors of this forum. How is that?
Prahlad Das - August 21, 2008 4:31 pm
I don't think google can access this forum.
A discussion forum is just that; Discussion. There are many thoughts being passed around and there are opportunities to renegotiate ones stand. I feel grateful that this forum is here and hope that others can have a more understanding view of what is going on here. I think the Title of this forum speaks for itself.
Thank you all for your confidence in my development,
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 21, 2008 5:20 pm
Google does not index this forum. It is password protected.
Whoever copied these texts is threatening the existence of Tattva Viveka as a forum where its members can confidently speak out.
These statements were not made in a public forum and therefore it is unjust to have published them on the net for the whole world to see. She would have done better contacting Citta Hari and GM directly.
Audarya-lila Dasa - August 21, 2008 5:32 pm
But more importantly - whoever copied and pasted the posts from here to her blog spot is compromising this forum. No one should copy and paste anything said here to the www for public consumption.
Madan Gopal Das - August 21, 2008 5:50 pm
Very disappointing... GM is preaching to all of us and the conversations here work in an accepted environment of faith. When outsiders view the same discussions it will not be treated in the same way and would take much too much bothersome explanation to sort out for an unforgiving public. It is only fuel for offenses to GM and brings unwanted attention to this forum. 
But; life goes on.
Citta Hari Dasa - August 21, 2008 7:01 pm
Very disappointing... GM is preaching to all of us and the conversations here work in an accepted environment of faith. When outsiders view the same discussions it will not be treated in the same way and would take much too much bothersome explanation to sort out for an unforgiving public. It is only fuel for offenses to GM and brings unwanted attention to this forum.But; life goes on.
What is ironic is that Vrajabhumi poses herself as being an ethical watchdog, but had no problem using unsolicited information off a private forum to make a public posting with. Pretty low class if you ask me.
Bhrigu - August 21, 2008 7:40 pm
It is disappointing that someone did this, but even more that that person hasn't stepped up and announced him/ herself and asked for forgiveness. I would hate to think that we have a "spy" here (apart from Babhru which everyone already knows about ). We have discussed these kinds of things before, but if I'm not completely mistaken, that time the person apologised and was forgiven. Statements on TV are discussions between friends; they are not always representative of what Guru Maharaja thinks, not even always what we ourselves think. They should never be taken out of their original context.
Babhru Das - August 21, 2008 9:13 pm
It's not just disappointing, but rather disturbing, that we can't feel confident that our comments here are made among family. Now I worry that the questions about why I posted little bits of my article last week have even greater significance. And it's particularly disturbing that whoever did so hasn't come forward. That makes us wonder whether it was just an innocent mistake.
Syamasundara - August 21, 2008 10:02 pm
I'd say it's better if we wait a bit, and try to sound less intimidating.
I am slowly coming to terms with this fact, but not everybody logs onto TV daily.
Also, this person (that Syam Gopal knows to be a she for some reason :He He: ... oh, that's because person in Dutch is feminine?) may not have acted in bad faith, and it's not nice to ostracize him or her ahead of time.
Gaura-Vijaya Das - August 21, 2008 10:17 pm
I'd say it's better if we wait a bit, and try to sound less intimidating.
I am slowly coming to terms with this fact, but not everybody logs onto TV daily.
Also, this person (that Syam Gopal knows to be a she for some reason :He He: ... oh, that's because person in Dutch is feminine?) may not have acted in bad faith, and it's not nice to ostracize him or her ahead of time.
I agree. We should not build the guilt of that person as it will make it impossible for them to open up their mistake.
Swami - August 22, 2008 12:24 am
This is an important issue. Not only does it compromise the environment of the forum, it also does potential spiritual harm to others. Whoever has done this should contact me personally at swami@swami.org. If I do not hear from anyone I will be forced to change the policy of the forum with regard to who will be allowed to join in the future and who will be allowed to remain as members at this time. I am afraid I will have to restrict members to devotees that I know personally or have corresponded with sufficiently to feel comfortable having them as members. Thus some of the current members will loose their status as members. Should they desire to join again, they will have to take strides to get to know me personally. Everyone knows where I live. etc.
Syamasundara - August 22, 2008 3:47 am
Without wanting names, can we know when it's over and taken care of?
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 22, 2008 5:58 am
Also, this person (that Syam Gopal knows to be a she for some reason :He He: ... oh, that's because person in Dutch is feminine?) may not have acted in bad faith, and it's not nice to ostracize him or her ahead of time.
No in that sentence I was speaking about the author of the hare krishna women blog. Not the person who submitted the texts to her.
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 22, 2008 6:03 am
I agree. We should not build the guilt of that person as it will make it impossible for them to open up their mistake.
I don't agree. The guilt of that person is not on us. He or she can take one simple step and that is confess. If Guru Maharaj forgives this person, I will forgive him or her.
Madan Gopal Das - August 22, 2008 12:13 pm
It seems this is more malicious intent than naiveté about public vs. private dialog. I'd say it's time to restrict membership.
A little birdy told me that over at Tripurari Swami’s forum Swamiji is really steamed that the “privacy” of his forum has been violated. Ahh, I’m sorry doc. Really I am.
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 22, 2008 12:27 pm
It seems this is more malicious intent than naiveté about public vs. private dialog. I'd say it's time to restrict membership.
yup let's get the KGB out.
what a bad idea getting oneself expelled from grace...
Gaura-Vijaya Das - August 22, 2008 12:27 pm
It seems this is more malicious intent than naiveté about public vs. private dialog. I'd say it's time to restrict membership.
It is really malicious; doesn't look like that person has any repentance at all. In fact things are getting worse. I hope google.com can't access the website. I always see google.com as one of the users. Maybe somebody hacked into the system.
Syama Gopala Dasa - August 22, 2008 12:32 pm
It is really malicious; doesn't look like that person has any repentance at all. In fact things are getting worse. I hope google.com can't access the website. I always see google.com as one of the users. Maybe somebody hacked into the system.
Na na, google can't access the forum. If you don't believe me, check this link to see what Google has indexed.
Syamasundara - August 22, 2008 12:42 pm
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A little birdy told me that over at Tripurari Swami’s forum Swamiji is really steamed that the “privacy” of his forum has been violated. Ahh, I’m sorry doc. Really I am.
:He He: 
I can't believe it's happening. I feel contaminated by the attitude of the blog author, and really sorry for her. How blind, and how blind is our spy...
Prema-bhakti - August 22, 2008 1:39 pm
It seems this is more malicious intent than naiveté about public vs. private dialog. I'd say it's time to restrict membership.
I totally agree.
Babhru Das - August 22, 2008 1:56 pm
Ditto here. It seems there's no longer any doubt from which anyone could benefit. This looks more and more like malice. What a drag.
Swami - August 22, 2008 3:48 pm
With the help of Syama Gopala we have found the culprit and he has been taken off the forum. He was a new member of less than one month.
Nitaisundara Das - August 22, 2008 4:52 pm
We have now gone through and cleaned up all the members on the forum. We deleted people who were not active for a long time and were in questionable standing with the sanga. From now on we will also have a stricter policy with whom we allow to join. So, feel safe to discuss away, we are quite sure we got the culprit.
Madhavendra Puri Dasa - August 22, 2008 5:35 pm
Uff, I was nervous I might go. Thank you for the trust.
It was painfull to see this kind of situation here on Tattva-viveka.
Bhrigu - August 22, 2008 5:45 pm
Wow, a relief to hear that you got the culprit, especially now that it became obvious that it wasn't just a mistake. :He He: Let's hope we won't have any more incidents like this.
Syamasundara - August 22, 2008 10:15 pm
Uff, I was nervous I might go. Thank you for the trust.It was painfull to see this kind of situation here on Tattva-viveka.
Hehe, I also had the same fear for a split second.
Prahlad Das - August 23, 2008 3:21 pm
I am having problems with the link to "view new posts". Is this related to that?
*edit
It works now that I have posted :He He:
Babhru Das - August 23, 2008 3:28 pm
Yep--it'll give you that error message if nothing new has been posted since your last visit.
Gandiva Dasi - August 23, 2008 6:12 pm
Uff, I was nervous I might go. Thank you for the trust.It was painfull to see this kind of situation here on Tattva-viveka.
Me too! : :He He: Thanks for keeping me on, although a lot of the discussions are over my head, I really relish the association and open discussion that goes on here.
Prahlad Das - August 23, 2008 7:12 pm
Yep--it'll give you that error message if nothing new has been posted since your last visit.
You are in Madhuvan now?
Babhru Das - August 23, 2008 8:45 pm
Yes.
Prahlad Das - August 24, 2008 12:14 am
Yes.
:He He: How nice
Rathi Krishna Dasa - August 24, 2008 7:00 pm
I'm glad I made the cut.Babhru Das - August 24, 2008 10:16 pm
:Big Grin:
Yes, indeed, thank you. Milked Mangala this morning (sort of--I'm getting the hang of it), went down to the micro-hydro inlet and the turbine, and grazed the cows this afernoon (including getting chased over a cliff--well, the edge of the terrace where the temple site is--by Mangala when we tried to bring her back in). Oh, and rubbed Dauji's belly until he was almost lying flat on his back. Not like any Vyasa-puja I've ever experienced.
Citta Hari Dasa - August 25, 2008 5:09 am
Yes, indeed, thank you. Milked Mangala this morning (sort of--I'm getting the hang of it), went down to the micro-hydro inlet and the turbine, and grazed the cows this afernoon (including getting chased over a cliff--well, the edge of the terrace where the temple site is--by Mangala when we tried to bring her back in). Oh, and rubbed Dauji's belly until he was almost lying flat on his back. Not like any Vyasa-puja I've ever experienced.
Isn't it grand how exciting things get when we connect with a sadhu?
Bijaya Kumara Das - August 31, 2008 5:29 pm
Yes indeed it is nice to know that we are in the confident circle of Guru Maharaja and thank you for your confidence in me.
It sounds like the Madhuvan experience is just the thing for getting closer to Vrndavan.