Prema-bhakti - October 31, 2013 3:41 pm

Would someone please clarify something for me.


Lauylam is a word used to describe transcendental greed which is a prerequisite or qualification for attaining higher stages of bhakti. I am wondering if that term could be used to describe a similar feeling in the lila. This came up in a conversation with a friend. I do not think so for various reasons. In the lila, greed appears to be mundane. I just wanted an authoritative explanation. Thanks.

Swami - October 31, 2013 10:16 pm

Laulyam (greed) does not go away with one's progress.

Prema-bhakti - October 31, 2013 11:37 pm

To be more specific, in terms of the ragatmikas like Yasoda, would it be appropriate to attribute the characteristic of laulyam to them.

Swami - November 1, 2013 1:15 pm

I thought my reply was specific. Laulyam is a thirst or taste for loving Krsna like the Ragatmikas do. In that sense if applies to raganuga sadhakas. But it is a taste or thirst for loving Krsna in a particular sentiment, sakhya, madhurya, etc. Ragatmikas have this taste.

Prema-bhakti - November 1, 2013 3:07 pm

Sorry Guru Maharaja, I meant I needed to be more specific because I wasnt sure it applied to Ragatmikas as well. Thank you.

Swami - November 1, 2013 10:43 pm

Yes, I see your point. It Is generally used to describe eligibility for dreading the path. So does it apply to those who have attained the goal? But that is like asking if those who have attained perfection have faith. Faith makes one eligible to tread the vadhi marg and faith filled with lobha makes one eligible to tread the raga marg.

Prema-bhakti - November 2, 2013 3:44 pm

Yes, I see. The person I was discussing this with used the word laulyam to describe Yasoda's feelings toward Krsna and I mentioned that it didnt seem to be appropriate and that I never heard it used like that although she definitely has that feeling imbibed in her bhava for Krsna.

Prema-bhakti - November 2, 2013 5:11 pm

Yes, I think what I am getting at is that it is inconsequential to mention that Yasoda has faith, as you say, or laulyam. It makes it sound as though they have achieved their status whereas ragatmika implies they are eternal associates, it is not something that is attained.