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Gaura lila in spiritual world?

Igor - September 15, 2005 2:58 pm

We can find description of spiritual world in numerous vaisnava books. Goloka Vrindavana is highest abode, land of cows and pure love where Lord Shyamasundara eternally resides and enjoys in passionate pastimes with His associates. That same Lord of Radha appeared like Gaurasundara, combined – sri krsna caitanya radha krsna nahe anya. My question is - Is Gaura – lila fully manifested in spiritual world? Is Krsna in form of Gaura and Balarama in form of Nitai present in Goloka, in spiritual world. Or they manifest they sankirtana lila in this mundane world only?

Gaurapremanande haribol!

Nanda-tanuja Dasa - September 15, 2005 4:07 pm

I think our ultimate goel is to actually enter nightly kirtans in Srivasa Angam in spiritual world, so Gaura–lila is fully manifested in spiritual world.

Igor - September 15, 2005 4:28 pm

I think our ultimate goel is to actually enter nightly kirtans in Srivasa Angam in spiritual world

Gaura haribol! I think that ultimate goal is very individual - some devotees have desire to share their love with Krsna on different ways - to be engage in nightly kirtans, to help him in His loving afairs or simply to share some chapaties and ladus!

Are Gaura lila manifested on Goloka Vrindavana? Is unmanifested Navadvipa on Goloka Vrindavana?

Nanda-tanuja Dasa - September 15, 2005 5:12 pm

I think that ultimate goal is very individual.

I think that ultimate goal depends on the mood of your Guru Maharaja, you like the taste -- you follow his mood, means his destination.

Igor - September 15, 2005 6:10 pm

I think that ultimate goal depends on the mood of your Guru Maharaja

Not nessesary... Guru may be situated in for example madhurya rasa and disciple may have aspiration for sakhya rasa.

In SangaVolume V No 4 Swami wrote

The nature of rasa is that it is so fulfilling that each devotee feels his rasa is the best. This is his subjective reality.

Furthermore Swami wrote in Sanga 05/30/00

If we have taken initiation from a guru situated in sakhya-rasa and we are destined for gopi-bhava, our gurudeva will make all necessary arrangements for us when necessary. Some disciples may be in his group, while others may be recruited by him for the sampradaya in general, and as a dutiful servant he will place them where they need to be to make progress in due course.

We can learn that in guru – disciple relation between Srilla Bhaktisiddhantha Sarasvati Thakura and Srilla Prabhupada.

About Prabhupada’s hearth desire Srilla Sridharadeva Maharaja said

So after performing this service he aspires after a life in the cow-keeping lila of Krsna, and he is appreciating that sort of friendly service of Krsna very much from the core of his heart, his aspiration after finishing his worldly preaching campaign
kata bane chutachuti bane khai lutaputi sei din kabe habe mor

"Running and frolicking in the many forests of Vraja I will roll on the ground in spiritual ecstasy. O when will that day be mine."

And Srilla Bhaktisidhantha Sarasvati Thakura, his spiritual master did not had such aspiration.

Swami - September 16, 2005 2:53 am

Gaura lila is eternally manifest in Goloka Vrindavana. This is depicted on Srila Prabhupada's own cover deisgn to his volumes of the first canto of Srimad Bhagavatam. Take a look at it.

Within Goloka is Svetadivpa. There are anumber of different spiritual manifestations known as Svetadvipa, but this Svetadvipa is referred to by Sri Jiva Goswami in his Gopal Campu as "Parama Svetadvipa." Parama Svetadvipa is within Parama Goloka.

Parama Goloka is predominenently known for its cows, cowherds, and the rasa lila of Radha Govinda. However, this Parama Goloka is also experienced as Parama Svetadvipa, at which time it is characterized as a realm that primarily lends itself to relishing varieties of rasa. In other words, Parama Svetadvipa is nitya Navadwipa, where Vrajnedranandana Krsna appears as Sri Gaura Hari and relishes Sri Radha's love for him from her vantage point.

This is yet another great mystery regarding the fact that Gaura and Krsna are the same person and Vrindavana and Navadvipa are thus also non different.

Swami - September 16, 2005 2:33 pm

Parama Svetadvipa, sometimes referred to as Gaura Loka, is sadhana-siddha bhumi, the land where siddhas appear to be engaged in sadhana. There they worship Krsna following Gaura Hari's lead. This topic has been dealt with here on Tattva-viveka previously. Follow this link Eternal Navadwipa

It should be clear that here at Auradya our liturgy is centered on Sri Gaura Hari's asta kaliya nitya-lila.

Audarya-lila Dasa - September 16, 2005 7:16 pm

Guru Maharaja,

Are there any plans to publish your commentary on Krsna dasa's song?

Gauravani Dasa - September 22, 2005 1:08 am

Discussion continued in Guru Maharaja Retiring?